Albums we'd like to see

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Re: Albums we'd like to see

Postby Gary Allen » 09 Aug 2013, 12:44

Do The Shads actually make money when a compilation of the hits are released ?
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Re: Albums we'd like to see

Postby hoffers » 09 Aug 2013, 14:54

The Shads will of course get composer royalties for tracks they wrote.
I remember Jet saying he used to look forward to his royalty cheques as it was a decent amount most times, not so much for composing but for radio plays etc.

Mr Purdon is spot on saying we can easily make up our own favourite/themed albums.

Shame we've not had a newly recorded 'Shadows' album since 1990!!!
Bruce said everything would be compared with previous releases if they recorded new material, but so what, the market is still there, albeit smaller.

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Re: Albums we'd like to see

Postby howarddobson » 09 Aug 2013, 15:17

It's true we can make our own collections.

I tried making a Cliff and Shads playlist - but I still think a collection benefits from an expert eye in terms of running order and even the rills, the gaps between the songs. Just seems to flow better.

I know we've got these songs on loads of collections - but in terms of selling to an external general market I think it could work.

Gets a good message across - how many artists could put out a number ones album? Not many.
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Re: Albums we'd like to see

Postby Didier » 09 Aug 2013, 17:02

Gary Allen wrote:Do The Shads actually make money when a compilation of the hits are released ?

They don't for everything recorded for EMI. According to what Bruce wrote in his book, the Shadows didn't renew their contract with EMI in 1980 because they were denied a better contract involving rights on their future recordings.
Of course they still have royalties for their own compositions.

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Re: Albums we'd like to see

Postby Gary Allen » 09 Aug 2013, 21:00

hoffers wrote:The Shads will of course get composer royalties for tracks they wrote.
I remember Jet saying he used to look forward to his royalty cheques as it was a decent amount most times, not so much for composing but for radio plays etc.

Mr Purdon is spot on saying we can easily make up our own favourite/themed albums.

Shame we've not had a newly recorded 'Shadows' album since 1990!!!
Bruce said everything would be compared with previous releases if they recorded new material, but so what, the market is still there, albeit smaller.

Hoffs

Hi Tony,Theres a lot of standards that could be covered from the last 23 years, The Polydor era was great,some dodgy themes but great interpretations, Maybe the problem is that they would have to be approached and financed by a record company,although the option is still there to email protools sessions to each other and release it off their own backs. regards Gary
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Re: Albums we'd like to see

Postby Gary Allen » 09 Aug 2013, 21:04

Didier wrote:
Gary Allen wrote:Do The Shads actually make money when a compilation of the hits are released ?

They don't for everything recorded for EMI. According to what Bruce wrote in his book, the Shadows didn't renew their contract with EMI in 1980 because they were denied a better contract involving rights on their future recordings.
Of course they still have royalties for their own compositions.

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Hi Didier, Thats probably why the original version of Apache wasnt used for the mattesons ad, regards Gary
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Re: Albums we'd like to see

Postby JimN » 09 Aug 2013, 22:02

Didier wrote:
Gary Allen wrote:Do The Shads actually make money when a compilation of the hits are released ?

They don't for everything recorded for EMI. According to what Bruce wrote in his book, the Shadows didn't renew their contract with EMI in 1980 because they were denied a better contract involving rights on their future recordings.
Of course they still have royalties for their own compositions.

Didier


Not renewing a recording contract simply means that the artist is no longer contracted to make records. It doesn't mean that they don't get royalties on recordings they've already made.

If EMI issue a CD with Apache on it (and they're about to just that), the Shadows members (estates or successors in the cases of Tony and Jet) will still receive a royalty.

On the other hand, if one of the current crop of issuers of royalty-free records issues a Shadows track more than fifty years old, there'll be no royalties on sales of that disc.

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Re: Albums we'd like to see

Postby Gary Allen » 09 Aug 2013, 22:05

Hi Jim, Does this mean that anyone can release a compilation of Shads hits? regards Gary
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Re: Albums we'd like to see

Postby JimN » 09 Aug 2013, 22:30

Gary Allen wrote:Hi Jim, Does this mean that anyone can release a compilation of Shads hits? regards Gary


Provided that they are not sourcing from a copyrighted digital re-master, anyone can currently re-release any recording which was released at least fifty years earlier. Actually, that has long been the situation; it isn't new.

It is part of the reason why (for instance) the Hallmark label constantly re-releases albums on CD where the material has clearly been lifted from a vinyl LP.

I understand that this situation will change before the end of 2013.
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Re: Albums we'd like to see

Postby Gary Allen » 09 Aug 2013, 22:36

Thanks Jim, I didnt know that. regards Gary
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