Thanks for Nothing, EMI

[captainhaddock]

I would imagine the same. Everyone who was ever going to buy will have done so. Pretty much.

You're right of course, but the archived material which comes out on bootleg CD's and You-tube uploads would still have a market and at least the performers and their families would have a final pay day.
I wonder how many Shadows fans bought their collections on Vinyl, Cassette and CD ?.

[Didier]

I wonder how many Shadows fans bought their collections on Vinyl, Cassette and CD ?.

I didn't buy it on cassettes, but for more than 50 years, I bought many Shadows' records on vinyl, CD, VHS, DVD and even the Final Tour on Blu Ray although I already had it on DVD !

Didier

[MartcasterJunior]

You're right of course, but the archived material which comes out on bootleg CD's and You-tube uploads would still have a market...

Not enough to generate a significant enough profit for the record company involved. Researching, restoring, mastering, printing, marketing...all these things cost money. The global market for a Shadows rarity release is going to be very slim - no matter how hard people on this site wish it was a reality. The fact is that the majority of large record labels these days are only interested in acts who will sell in significant numbers, and who will appear on chat shows to promote the product. For the vast majority of the general public, The Shadows = Hank Marvin, and as long as he's in Australia and has no interest in reviving The Shadows, then you're not going to see any kind of significant release.

Let's face it - if the Mattesons national advertising campaign wasn't enough to prompt the release of a cheap-and-cheerful Greatest Hits package, then a rarities release isn't even going to register on their radar.

[UlrichS]

You're right of course, but the archived material which comes out on bootleg CD's and You-tube uploads would still have a market...

Not enough to generate a significant enough profit for the record company involved. Researching, restoring, mastering, printing, marketing...all these things cost money. The global market for a Shadows rarity release is going to be very slim - no matter how hard people on this site wish it was a reality. The fact is that the majority of large record labels these days are only interested in acts who will sell in significant numbers, and who will appear on chat shows to promote the product. For the vast majority of the general public, The Shadows = Hank Marvin, and as long as he's in Australia and has no interest in reviving The Shadows, then you're not going to see any kind of significant release.

Let's face it - if the Mattesons national advertising campaign wasn't enough to prompt the release of a cheap-and-cheerful Greatest Hits package, then a rarities release isn't even going to register on their radar.

It's absolutely correct that EMI (and also all other big labels) are only interested to sell large numbers due to the production and marketing costs. If you just see the figures for a marketing campaign (TV, radio, papers, ...) this is easy to understand.
But there is one thing I don't understand: Why don't these companies license the recordings to smaller labels. They could earn money without doing anything for it. There would be no financial risk, no manpower would be needed, they would simply win. This would probably not be big sums, but why the refuse getting cash without doing anything for it is what i don't understand.

Ulrich

[Didier]

But there is one thing I don't understand: Why don't these companies license the recordings to smaller labels. They could earn money without doing anything for it. There would be no financial risk, no manpower would be needed, they would simply win. This would probably not be big sums, but why the refuse getting cash without doing anything for it is what i don't understand.

Ulrich

They have done so in the past, licencing small labels such as "See for Miles" in UK, "Magic Records" in France, "Disky" in the Netherland, but they seem not to be interested doing so anymore...

Didier

[captainhaddock]

EMI, even had its own budget labels back in the 70's. I believe that my first vinyl purchases were on MFP (Music For Pleasure) and Regal. Any release of archive material would not need an expensive marketing campaign, word of mouth via Shadows fans would spread like wildfire around the world via this forum and you-tube. But the bottom line is probably the lack of will from certain band members and certain management staff. Deja- vu anyone?

[Gary Allen]

What exactly should they release,I would have thought that most members/fans have 5 versions of every shads tune at this stage.

[captainhaddock]

What exactly should they release,I would have thought that most members/fans have 5 versions of every shads tune at this stage.

Despite having obtained "copies", the Fremus releases would be a suitable beginning. I refer you to my thread of last year

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5869&p=40809&hilit=atlantis+and+dakota#p40809

[Fenderman]

I dont think there's any left in the EMI archive to release (apart from out takes and false starts but i can't see the band members wanting that released). All that's left now is the BBC and perhaps live recordings, although someone mentioned that EMI recorded The Shadows live in Japan in 1967, i can't find any reference to it, all i know they recorded in Japan was the 4 track EP.
If it exists, it would be nice to hear.

[Gary Allen]

I wonder if theres any material from their Polydor era that didnt make it on to albums ?