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September 15th 1962

PostPosted: 29 Nov 2015, 21:32
by cmwatts67
I happen to come across this link this afternoon below on iTunes:-

September 15th 1962
Live in Paris by The Shadows
https://itun.es/gb/ZehQJ

Thought it might be of interest
Chris

Re: September 15th 1962

PostPosted: 30 Nov 2015, 11:01
by George Geddes
It is also available on Google Play if you don't like iTunes.

Nine of the tracks were on the 'As good as it gets' CD but the download version includes the tenth track plus some announcements. The quality is reasonable - sourced from a radio broadcast tape - and I think it is worth having. Nine of the tracks are also on a compilation 'Man of mystery' which includes other 'live' tracks, though none which are not otherwise available..

George

Re: September 15th 1962

PostPosted: 30 Nov 2015, 12:54
by UlrichS
These tracks definitely don't come from the same concert.
The intro to 'Kon-Tiki' is spoken by Jet Harris, whereas 'Stranger On The Shore' has Brian Locking on harmonica. The Harris/Locking change happened in April 1962.
iTunes gives a concert date of 15. September 1962, which would be the last day of the Shadows series at the Paris Olympia (31. August - 15. September). The set list was Shazam / F.B.I / Shadoogie / Midnight / Kon-Tiki / Apache / Little ‘B’ / Nivram / The Frightened City / Stranger On The Shore (Licorice on harmonica) / Do You Want To Dance.
The As Good As It Gets CD has November 1961 as concert date. The Shadows played the Paris Olympia on 11. and 12. December 1961 and one of the concerts was (partly?) broadcasted by Radio Europe. The set list was Shazam / Shadoogie / The Frightened City / Man Of Mystery / Nivram / Kon-Tiki / Midnight / Apache / The Stranger / F.B.I. / See You In My Drums / The Savage.
If one compares the iTunes list with these two concert set lists, it very much looks like the first 8 tracks from the 1961 concert with the last two tracks of the 1962 concert inserted. Also, for my (deaf) ears there seems to be a sound difference between these tracks. I had some emails exchanged with Bernard Broche about these recordings and he agreed that these tracks come from two concerts in 1961 and 1962.
The sequence from iTunes is circulating on records fairs since some 10 years with various dates and line-ups. Maybe one of these CDs is the source.

Ulrich

Re: September 15th 1962

PostPosted: 30 Nov 2015, 13:20
by George Geddes
Interesting, Ulrich... I hadn't bothered to check the setlists against the tracks, nor had I spotted Jet's intro.

Bit puzzled by the order of tracks from the 1962 show - would have expected FBI to be at the end.

George

Re: September 15th 1962

PostPosted: 30 Nov 2015, 15:42
by UlrichS
George Geddes wrote:... Bit puzzled by the order of tracks from the 1962 show - would have expected FBI to be at the end. ...

Hi George,
So was I, but these are the set lists how I received them from the French club (Bernard Broche).
There was one addition at the end: Do you want to dance et une sortie de scène assez courte sur gimmick de Jazz.

Ulrich

Re: September 15th 1962

PostPosted: 30 Nov 2015, 23:29
by Iain Purdon
I was listening to this only the other day and I thought some of the bass playing was more Jet-like while other tracks were more like Licorice. I was wondering if it could be a compilation.
Do You Wanna Dance is I assume from the 1962 gig because the Cliff/Shads single was only released in May 1962. There again, the Bobby Freeman original was already known and I suppose it could have been a Shads concert vocal in 1961. Does anybody know?

Re: September 15th 1962

PostPosted: 01 Dec 2015, 12:05
by GoldenStreet
According to the booklet with the 2CD Just About As Good As It Gets compilation, tracks 23-31 on CD2, i.e. Shazam, Guitar Boogie, Stranger On The Shore, The Frightened City, Man Of Mystery, Nivram, Do You Want To Dance, Kon-Tiki and Midnight, were recorded live at the Olympia, November, 1961.

Clearly, that cannot be the case with Stranger On The Shore (featuring Licorice on harmonica), and on that basis I suspect that, additionally, Do You Want To Dance will be from the September, 1962 concert.

Bill

Re: September 15th 1962

PostPosted: 02 Dec 2015, 16:10
by Iain Purdon
Thanks Bill

I think you're spot on with that. Hacking listened more closely, I reckon all the bass lines are what Jet would have been likely to play live except Stranger on the Shore (where Hank is noodling away with some lower register notes on the Strat) and Do You Wanna Dance, where the bass line matches what Licorice played on other live performances backing Cliff.