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The Boys question

PostPosted: 07 Jun 2013, 12:11
by drakula63
A question for all of those who are far more knowledgeable about such things than am I...

The Shadows wrote the music for the film The Boys in 1962. Was this the first instance of a 'pop group' writing the music for a feature film. If not, surely there can't have been many before it...???

Just wondering.

Re: The Boys question

PostPosted: 07 Jun 2013, 13:05
by GoldenStreet
This perhaps doesn't quite qualify, as such, in this context, but Tommy Steele co-wrote with Lionel Bart and Mike Pratt numerous songs (if not all) for the 1957 film The Tommy Steele Story.

Bill

Re: The Boys question

PostPosted: 08 Jun 2013, 04:23
by Iain Purdon
This isn't so much knowledge as dim and distant recollection.

I don't think the Shadows were commissioned to write the music for the film - although they certainly contributed - but more that Norrie Paramor sorted it out. He had already done the music for the movie "The Frightened City". The producer of the new film liked FBI and wanted to use it or something like it, so HB&B came up with The Boys which is sort of FBI Mk II. They also came up withe slow version Theme from the Boys and The Girls. Bill McGuffie, an old hand in the composer/arranger field, worked on "The Boys" too and contributed the number Sweet Dreams.

I know others will correct my recollections!

Re: The Boys question

PostPosted: 08 Jun 2013, 10:49
by neil2726
Wasnt Sweet Dreams also known as Sweet September?

Re: The Boys question

PostPosted: 08 Jun 2013, 12:07
by drakula63
I am sure that a vocal version of Sweet Dreams (Sweet September) was indeed recorded by several artists, including the Strangers (just before John Farrar joined Hank and Bruce to form MWF).

Anyway, however it came about, The Shads must have been the first (or one of the first) pop groups to write a theme tune especially for a film. I know there is an article on this in issue 37 of Shadsfax but, having looked, it is one of the few issues I don't have!!! Naturally!!! :(

Re: The Boys question

PostPosted: 08 Jun 2013, 13:00
by JimN
neil2726 wrote:Wasnt Sweet Dreams also known as Sweet September?


As far as I'm aware, every single version of the tune except the one by The Shadows - and this certainly includes any version by the composer (who after all, ought to know) - is entitled Sweet September.

Sweet Dreams might have been a provision title which was never corrected, or just a Chinese whispers effect.

Re: The Boys question

PostPosted: 08 Jun 2013, 14:00
by Fenderman
Slightly off topic but if i remember correctly Norrie Paramour appears briefly in 'The Frightened City'? as a musician or something?

Re: The Boys question

PostPosted: 08 Jun 2013, 14:46
by UlrichS
JimN wrote:As far as I'm aware, every single version of the tune except the one by The Shadows - and this certainly includes any version by the composer (who after all, ought to know) - is entitled Sweet September.

Sweet Dreams might have been a provision title which was never corrected, or just a Chinese whispers effect.

Sweet September - Sweet Dreams.jpg

Re: The Boys question

PostPosted: 08 Jun 2013, 16:13
by George Geddes
According to at least one John Barry biography, the Shadows were in the running to provide music for Dr. No, the first Bond movie. However, JB's known arranging abilities swung it in his favour...

George

Re: The Boys question

PostPosted: 09 Jun 2013, 07:51
by chronikman-ch
drakula63 wrote:I am sure that a vocal version of Sweet Dreams (Sweet September) was indeed recorded by several artists, including the Strangers (just before John Farrar joined Hank and Bruce to form MWF).

Anyway, however it came about, The Shads must have been the first (or one of the first) pop groups to write a theme tune especially for a film. I know there is an article on this in issue 37 of Shadsfax but, having looked, it is one of the few issues I don't have!!! Naturally!!! :(


A little help.....
hmr