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Winkrich's "Friday On My Mind" thread (moved)

PostPosted: 01 Jul 2013, 13:49
by JimN
Moved (actually: copied) from a different thread.

winkrich wrote:Perhaps I can get things moving with a little discussion on the topic of “Friday on my mind.” In the wonderful little book “A pocket guide to shadow music” (Rob Bradford & Les Woosey, Ed. Malcolm Campbell) they write, “though the keyboard contribution from 2:11 on is surely too busy and over-ornate.” I would like to suggest that keyboards are not used and that the effect is produced with a guitar by doubling the playback speed. Several of the notes are markedly bent – an effect that probably wasn’t available on keyboards at the time.

The same effect is probably used to produce the “chipmunk” vocal on Chelsea Boot on the same album. What do you think?
Cheers, Richard


Back in the summer of 1967, when the "Jigsaw" LP was released, it was reviewed in the UK monthly magazine "Beat Instrumental". I almost certainly have the edition in question out in the garage, in one of my semi-legendary tea-chests, packed over thirty years ago when we moved south and inevitably, never fully unpacked since. There must be loads of interesting stuff in there. I once sent my son and his friend to have a look and they came back with a DeArmond tone/volume pedal, a Bigsby Palm-pedal and a Hofner pre-amp.

Anyway... Beat Instrumental and its review of "Jigsaw"...

All sorts of stuff was happening in 1967. In the mainstream of pop and rock (which had not yet split into pop and prog), Jeff Beck had parted from the Yardbirds and was producing singles of his own. Chris Welch of "Melody Maker" had a soft spot for Jeff's stuff and went to the trouble of explaining that part of Jeff's style was derived from Les Paul, a name with which I was only slightly familiar. Bit by bit (it was really hard before the internet), I found that Les's most famous records were multitracked and featured speeded-up guitars, á la Wout Steenhuis.

And when "Jigsaw" was reviewed, the BI writer made particular mention of the "psychedelic" sound of The Shadows on the title track and on their Les Paul approach to Friday On My Mind, with speeded-up guitars in the multi-track. By now, I was becoming a Les Paul fan, and this information stuck in my mind for that reason.

So yes... even the 16-yr-old JN was well aware - at the time - that Friday On My Mind was made with guitars in the mix, and not keyboards. I can't hear a single keyboard in the mix, and I've just listened to the Shadows version plus two backing tracks on my iPod whilst out doing my daily three-mile walk.

JN

Re: Winkrich's "Friday On My Mind" thread (moved)

PostPosted: 01 Jul 2013, 19:30
by StuartD
Definitely no keyboards!! I asked Hank if it was speeded up and he said: Of course!! How fast do you think i can play!!

Re: Winkrich's "Friday On My Mind" thread (moved)

PostPosted: 02 Jul 2013, 18:01
by winkrich
Well, that didn't stir up much controversy! Thanks for the expert and authoritative opinions. I'll have to try harder if I want to spark a debate.

Cheers, Richard.

Re: Winkrich's "Friday On My Mind" thread (moved)

PostPosted: 03 Jul 2013, 10:25
by GoldenStreet
That particular effect has been described as a mandolin in some accounts!

Bill

Re: Winkrich's "Friday On My Mind" thread (moved)

PostPosted: 03 Jul 2013, 10:59
by JimN
GoldenStreet wrote:That particular effect has been described as a mandolin in some accounts!

Bill


There IS a mandolin (played by Hank) on the album, but not on that track...

Re: Winkrich's "Friday On My Mind" thread (moved)

PostPosted: 03 Jul 2013, 13:00
by cockroach
JimN,

I remember that BI review, it said that Jigsaw featured 'a psychedelic Hank Marvin with touches of Eric Clapton..which seems strange..'....if you find that copy of BI JIm, check my memory!

In the late '70's/early '80's, I once made some home recordings, using two reel to reel recorders hooked up, and I overdubbed some tracks recorded at half speed then sped up to the regular speed on playback etc, to get that Les Paul effect...good fun! I seem to recall, I sent the tape over to the UK from Australia by sea mail to my dear old mate Keith Bateman, and I left a blank track so that he could play along and overdub, which he did! We were pretending to be Chester and Lester- I did the speeded up LesPaul bits and Keith did the Chet fingerpicking..!

Re: Winkrich's "Friday On My Mind" thread (moved)

PostPosted: 03 Jul 2013, 20:24
by Moderne
Hank has 'sped up' his guitar a few times. Voyage to the Bottom of the Bath and St Louis Blues (from the HM Guitar Syndicate LP) are two other examples that spring to mind.

Cheers,

Clive

Re: Winkrich's "Friday On My Mind" thread (moved)

PostPosted: 03 Jul 2013, 21:54
by JimN
Moderne wrote:Hank has 'sped up' his guitar a few times. Voyage to the Bottom of the Bath and St Louis Blues (from the HM Guitar Syndicate LP) are two other examples that spring to mind.


http://shadowmusic.bdme.co.uk/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=97&image_id=838

Re: Winkrich's "Friday On My Mind" thread (moved)

PostPosted: 19 Feb 2016, 16:32
by JimN
cockroach wrote:I remember that BI review, it said that Jigsaw featured 'a psychedelic Hank Marvin with touches of Eric Clapton..which seems strange..'....if you find that copy of BI JIm, check my memory!

In the late '70's/early '80's, I once made some home recordings, using two reel to reel recorders hooked up, and I overdubbed some tracks recorded at half speed then sped up to the regular speed on playback etc, to get that Les Paul effect...good fun! I seem to recall, I sent the tape over to the UK from Australia by sea mail to my dear old mate Keith Bateman, and I left a blank track so that he could play along and overdub, which he did! We were pretending to be Chester and Lester- I did the speeded up LesPaul bits and Keith did the Chet fingerpicking..!


I found it a few months ago.

Check your memory:

Image

Re: Winkrich's "Friday On My Mind" thread (moved)

PostPosted: 20 Feb 2016, 01:10
by Iain Purdon
Play side 2 first, eh?

Never thought of that, but I guess there are slightly fewer makeweight tracks there. However, I do think the title track deserves its place at the top of the list.

This was a unique Shads album at the time, having no vocals. Hurrah!
Unless you regard Trains & Boats & Planes and Winchester Cathedral as vocals. I don't know. "What do you think, Brute?"