Fed Up With EMI? (Shadows At The BBC)

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Re: Fed Up With EMI? (Shadows At The BBC)

Postby Arpeggio » 08 May 2012, 09:55

Frank: Do you have any further info (or links) refs: "Drifters vs Shadows" on Rollercoaster Records??? I can find no reference to any such release on their website.

Dave: Well...it's all a matter of personal taste / opinion. All aristes (including the Shads - initially Drifters) had to pass a recording test for the BBC before they were allowed to feature on any BBC Radio broadcasts. The panel was ultra strict and many performers were rejected. Not the Shads of course....we know that they were brilliant. Compared to EMI the recording set up at the BBC was obviously much more basic. When the Shads appeared on the same show as Cliff....they frequently taped 4 or 5 songs backing Cliff plus a couple of their own. On their very first 'solo' Saturday Club they taped 5 titles. They had literally (perhaps after initial set up) one hour to commit (generally speaking) 5 - 7 titles to tape. Not much scope for re - takes and no overdubbing, editing etc.

IMHO these performances are part of recording history - as broadcast. Whatever they might lack in studio perfection they abundantly make up for in sheer raw excitement and energy. On any bootleg CD the sound quality is never going to be perfect....but the John Peel sessions...brilliant. I love the exuberance of those performances broadcast as they happened between 53 (!!!!) and just over 40 years ago. I do know of several people (some very respected musicians / guitarists) who think they are wonderful. I imagine that any artist listening to something that they played (in some cases) live in 1959 from a 2002 perspective and possibly from a less than perfect sound source might well decide that they could have played it better...or might hear the occasional error...or etc., etc. But let's not forget that the BBC themselves wouldn't broadcast anything that they believed to be substandard. Plus, I would also add that Jet, Tony and other Shadows members were quite happy with a BBC sessions release. I can't say more than that....people will have to draw their own conclusions. The situation became 'academic' when the BBC pulled the plug on use of the 'Bernie Andrews Tapes'.

Bests.....Rob :D
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Re: Fed Up With EMI? (Shadows At The BBC)

Postby dave robinson » 08 May 2012, 10:53

I remember a conversation where a certain member of the band didn't really want this stuff to be released, as it was not really up to standard - all I am saying is that I agree. :idea:
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Re: Fed Up With EMI? (Shadows At The BBC)

Postby Arpeggio » 08 May 2012, 11:31

He! He! Understood Dave. We'll just have to agree to disagree - as it were. We both know the scenario.

Bests....Rob :D
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Re: Fed Up With EMI? (Shadows At The BBC)

Postby captainhaddock » 08 May 2012, 12:12

Tin Hat Time.
Poor quality never stopped some of the Polydor releases. http://youtu.be/IXTvZ8UVJvw
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Re: Fed Up With EMI? (Shadows At The BBC)

Postby Arpeggio » 08 May 2012, 13:43

Ha! Ha! Ha! :lol: :P Oh boy Philip, you're a brave man! There was a lot of great material during the Polydor years. There was also a lot that i personally didn't care for at all. Again, it's all a matter of personal taste isn't it?

Rob :D
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Re: Fed Up With EMI? (Shadows At The BBC)

Postby captainhaddock » 08 May 2012, 15:30

Arpeggio wrote:Ha! Ha! Ha! :lol: :P Oh boy Philip, you're a brave man! There was a lot of great material during the Polydor years. There was also a lot that i personally didn't care for at all. Again, it's all a matter of personal taste isn't it?

Rob :D


Hi Rob,
Of course you are right, it wasn't all bad during the Polydor years but the stuff that seemed to sell well simply never appealed to me. "Guardian Angel" contained some wonderful inovative tracks but did not sell well so it was back to the old cover versions again , shame.
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Re: Fed Up With EMI? (Shadows At The BBC)

Postby anniv 63 » 08 May 2012, 16:29

Dont know about anyone else, but personally I think this topic has been exhausted.
Either Rollercoaster release at some time or they dont -end of story!!!

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Re: Fed Up With EMI? (Shadows At The BBC)

Postby Arpeggio » 08 May 2012, 16:42

Like all originators of posts....we'll know when the topic is exhausted when no - one has replied / commented after a few days and the post will 'fall off' the end of the page into cyberworld oblivion. Until then.....

Rob :shock: ;)
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Re: Fed Up With EMI? (Shadows At The BBC)

Postby Iain Purdon » 09 May 2012, 08:34

captainhaddock wrote:Tin Hat Time.
Poor quality never stopped some of the Polydor releases.

I think the quality argument re the old BBC material is about how "well" the material was performed and how "good" the extant recordings are. I wouldn't have thought you could pan any of the Polydor material's quality in those terms! Whether you like what they did is more down to taste, I'd say :)
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Re: Fed Up With EMI? (Shadows At The BBC)

Postby Bill Bowley » 09 May 2012, 08:50

Iain,

Taste? Nothing wrong with the 'elevator music' (as my young sister called it) that they did for Polydor! ;)
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