The Warlord (& Others) Live 1965

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Re: The Warlord (& Others) Live 1965

Postby Uncle Fiesta » 02 Jun 2012, 12:21

JimN wrote:The rhythm guitar part on The Warlord is something else.

I recall looking at the single-sheet published music in early 1966 and nearly fainting when I saw that the chord part included the unknown Bb11. Bert's book didn't do flattened elevenths.

JN


The answer is probably that Bruce played proper majors and minors and the horrible jazz chords were a figment of the imagination of whoever wrote the sheet music.
The Beatles were another example of this; an ageing jazz musician (oxymoron!) at Dick James Music would listen to an acetate and transcribe it using his jazz experience. It wasn't until a quarter of a century later that it was redone by someone a bit younger and more attuned to the Beatles style.

I also remember reading an interview with someone from a punk band (Clash I believe) who read the sheet music for one of his own songs and could'nt make head or tail of it! It was supposed to be a single chord all the way through, but every time the bass player hit a note that, strictly speaking, wasn't in that chord, the transposer put something weird in!

I've always found sheet music to bear little resemblance to what I can hear on record. Case in point is a collection of Cliff and the Shadows sheet music from about 1960, which i still have, imaginitively titled, "Cliff and the Shadows Album." Apache and Man of Mystery have to be seen to be believed!
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Re: The Warlord (& Others) Live 1965

Postby iefje » 04 Jun 2012, 08:29

Are the DVD's official and what tracks by which artists do they contain?
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Re: The Warlord (& Others) Live 1965

Postby negninegaw » 10 Jun 2012, 15:20

Did Mitch Mitchell listen to The Warlord and then find a good accompaniment for Manic Depression?
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Re: The Warlord (& Others) Live 1965

Postby cockroach » 11 Jun 2012, 13:24

Don't think so, as I think Warlord is in 6/8 time, whereas Manic Depression is in 5/4.

A drummer could confirm this?
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Re: The Warlord (& Others) Live 1965

Postby negninegaw » 11 Jun 2012, 15:18

I think they're both in 3/4 ...
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Re: The Warlord (& Others) Live 1965

Postby cockroach » 12 Jun 2012, 12:35

I think Warlord's beat is double waltz time- 6/8. Listen to Brian Bennett's playing...

Manic Depression is NOT in 3/4- our drummer was about the only one who could play it correctly in 5/4 when we used to do it on stage in 1967...

Where's a drummer when we need one to confirm?
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Re: The Warlord (& Others) Live 1965

Postby negninegaw » 14 Jun 2012, 10:35

I was a drummer who played it in the sixties.
But you don't have to be one to hear it is in 3/4 ...
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Re: The Warlord (& Others) Live 1965

Postby negninegaw » 16 Jun 2012, 11:45

I just found out that Mitch said he was inspired by John Dankworth's 'African Waltz' (1961).
Maybe Brian was too?
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