Are we allowed to post links to bootlegs of concerts?

[MartinC]

A recording of The Shadows concert at Birmingham Town Hall, 2 June 1989 is currently in circulation - I only know this because of a posting on another forum which I visit, which provides a link to an audience recording.

I'm fairly new here and don't want to break any rules so I thought it wise to check before providing the link.

(It's likely one of the best known live Shadows bootlegs and you're probably all having a giggle at this newbie's expense - but hey ,i'm still learning!)

Martin

[iefje]

At first, welcome to this great forum!

About the audience recordings, I don't think it is allowed. Ironically, members of this forum do frequently post links to videoclips, uploaded to YouTube. The majority of these clips have never been issued officially and can therefor be regarded as bootlegs/illegal. It remains a very delicate subject and is a very, very grey area.

[Iain Purdon]

Yes it is a grey area but the answer has to be no.

Other sites can do whatever they do. This site exists for the wellbeing of the Shadows' community and maintains good relations with the Shadows and their management. We want to keep it that way.

If in doubt, ask yourself whether they would approve of what you're wanting to post.

Hope that helps.

Iain

[MartinC]

Thanks for putting me straight, guys.

[iefje]

Yes it is a grey area but the answer has to be no.

Other sites can do whatever they do. This site exists for the wellbeing of the Shadows' community and maintains good relations with the Shadows and their management. We want to keep it that way.

If in doubt, ask yourself whether they would approve of what you're wanting to post.

Hope that helps.

Iain

If we want to treat these rules consistent, then all links to YouTube containing unreleased material, be it professionally recorded (i.e. BBC TV footage) or recorded by audience members, should not be allowed.

[MartinC]

Well, I have discovered a lot of music via YouTube which I perhaps wouldn't otherwise have heard. In fact, my first post on this forum was a link to a recording of Atlantis from 1964. I enjoyed it and for me it didn't sully their reputation - nor did I deprive them of any royalties.

Likewise, my first hearing of The Warlord was from the YouTube clip posted here a while ago. I didn't own 20 Golden Greats before hearing it, now I do.

To me, this forum exists to promote enjoyment of the Shadows' music - and that's why we're here. Wouldn't it be better to check with The Shadows or their management before introducing such a strict rule? If they aren't happy with it, then fair enough, we have to respect that.

[Iain Purdon]

I'm sorry but you asked the question about bootlegs and I have given the only answer I could. Also, there is contact from time to time between the Shadows management and this site.

Iain

[MartinC]

Iain - my response was to lefje about uploading of YouTube links. I'm completely in the picture about uploading bootleg links.

Martin

[Iain Purdon]

Thanks Martin. I misunderstood your posting.

Iain

[donna plasky]

Dear Iain: I am one of the people who posts a lot of stuff from YouTube, mostly television appearances but various stuff. Should I continue business as usual unless-and-until someone identifies one of my posts as improper? Or would you and the Administration like me to alter my approach to posting YouTube videos. I don't want to break any rules, that would not be right.

I don't think I have ever posted any YouTube videos that are basically people in the audience holding their mobile phones or camcorders up in the air above their head, trying to capture the stage performance. Is that a description or example of what's improper?

Thank you for your help. I appreciate it.

Kind regards,
Donna