Apache - Release dates?

[UlrichS]

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First EMI 2573 re-pressing from 1981

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Second EMI 2573 re-pressing from 1988


These are the ones I know about. There might be still some more. If anyone should have an issue not listed, I would be very thankful for a picture.

Ulrich

[JimN]

Clearly, the original catalogue number (45-DB 4484 or later, just DB 4484) can only apply to a pressing with Apache on one side and Quatermasster's Stores on the other.

Any release with different tracks on the B-side is a different release and needs a different number.

JN

[nivram106]

Thanks to everyone for their help, especially Ulrich. I now have all of the information that I asked for. I just need to get a copy of the black label 8958 that I did not know about.

Thanks again
Jim

[UlrichS]

Clearly, the original catalogue number (45-DB 4484 or later, just DB 4484) can only apply to a pressing with Apache on one side and Quatermasster's Stores on the other.

Any release with different tracks on the B-side is a different release and needs a different number.

JN

Hi Jim,

Why then DB 8958 and EMI 2573, which have the same tracks on both sides?

Ulrich

[malcolmc7]

Jim H. raised the question of coverage in The Shadows At EMI, a book concerned with primary releases and not reissues/ repressings. The rationale behind the three distinct entries was as follows:

(i) 1960 original single.
[Omitted: repressings of Apache/ Q.'s Stores with the same or abbreviated catalogue no. but presenting typographical and other variants of the kind illustrated by Ulrich. Such variants were commonplace and in many cases astonishingly frequent, as a recent Record Collector study on The Beatles' UK Parlophone singles demonstrated.]

(ii)
1972 single.Different track-listing and different catalogue number.
[I have no idea whether there were label variants of this one, but I doubt it: it cannot have been a big seller.]

(iii)
1977 3-track single with a new catalogue number and with picture sleeve.
Not a reissue of the 1972 pictureless single. All three tracks here are the Bruce Welch remixes for the 20 Golden Greats album, details in the CD Guide, page 248.
[Omitted: the true reissues with different labels pictured by Ulrich.]

[iefje]

The three UK issues of "Apache" all have the A-side in a different sound mix. The original single from July, 1960 has the original mono mix. The 3-track single from November, 1972 has the first true stereo mix, also issued the year before or two years after on the stereo issue of "The Shadows' Greatest Hits". The 3-track single from January, 1977 has the second true stereo mix, created by Bruce, also issued the month after on the "20 Golden Greats" album. From memory, this mix was a little narrower and had the drums sound more clearer. The mixes of "Wonderful Land" and "F.B.I." on the 1972 and 1977 singles were different as well. The 1972 single has the first mock stereo mixes for both tracks (both also on "The Shadows' Greatest Hits") and the 1977 single has the second mock stereo mixes for both tracks (both also on "20 Golden Greats").

[iefje]

Jim H. raised the question of coverage in The Shadows At EMI, a book concerned with primary releases and not reissues/ repressings. The rationale behind the three distinct entries was as follows:

(i) 1960 original single.
[Omitted: repressings of Apache/ Q.'s Stores with the same or abbreviated catalogue no. but presenting typographical and other variants of the kind illustrated by Ulrich. Such variants were commonplace and in many cases astonishingly frequent, as a recent Record Collector study on The Beatles' UK Parlophone singles demonstrated.]

(ii)
1972 single.Different track-listing and different catalogue number.
[I have no idea whether there were label variants of this one, but I doubt it: it cannot have been a big seller.]

(iii)
1977 3-track single with a new catalogue number and with picture sleeve.
Not a reissue of the 1972 pictureless single. All three tracks here are the Bruce Welch remixes for the 20 Golden Greats album, details in the CD Guide, page 248.
[Omitted: the true reissues with different labels pictured by Ulrich.]

I'm sorry Malcolm, I was typing my previous message before carefully reading yours, so most information from your message has been repeated by me.

[malcolmc7]

Ivo

Yes, I should have added the detail that the 1972 Apache was the stereo version. EMI was well into stereo singles by then, in this case even to the extent of incorporating mock stereo versions for the other two tracks.

The flood of 'nostalgia' issues released in the early 70s closer to where you live (various combinations of Apache, F.B.I., Wonderful Land, Guitar Tango, Shadoogie) were commonly in mono, which is arguably how they should have been presented given the fact that they were meant to recall the good old days.

Best wishes
Malcolm

[JimN]

Hello, Ulrich,

Malcolm's article (above) addresses that point!

Best wishes,

JN

[cockroach]

Bert's version also came out around the same time as the Shadows, didn't it?