Tony Hicks,,,,,

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Re: Tony Hicks,,,,,

Postby alanbakewell » 07 Dec 2012, 18:12

Tone wrote:Going off at a slight tangent, I missed the documentary and I've just checked the Sky Arts listings to see if it's on again today. It's not but what is on at 8pm is a programme with Mark Knoffler talking about "the six very different guitars" that formed his music. It's probably been on before but, if it has, it passed me by.

Should be interesting.

Cheers.

Tony


You haven't missed it Tony. As I mentioned earlier in this thread it's on Sky On Demand until early January.

Cheers, Alan.

p.s. I watched the Mark Knopfler guitars programme a couple of weeks ago, Excellent.
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Re: Tony Hicks,,,,,

Postby ecca » 07 Dec 2012, 18:43

Mr Bakewell my old long lost friend ...........
Have another quick listen to his accent, your a coneis....... connusor........ connasu ........ expert on accents.
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Re: Tony Hicks,,,,,

Postby alanbakewell » 07 Dec 2012, 21:34

I would have to agree old bean. He does have a definite Black Country / Birmingham thing going on there somewhere.

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Re: Tony Hicks,,,,,

Postby Martin Page » 08 Dec 2012, 11:26

JimN wrote:
cockroach wrote:I noticed that in the studio footage close-ups, when playing On A Carousel, he has heavy strings on his black early model Les Paul Custom, with a wound third...


Everybody did until about 1967, and even then, a lot of players - even famous players like Roy Wood - only moved to plain thirds gradually. The Move used to endorse Rotosound "Power King" strings (11-50 with a 22 wound third) until at least early 1969.

JN

I must have started using unwound thirds around 1965-6. Some players used a banjo string for top E followed by ordinary guitar first to fifth for second to sixth. I simply got an extra second and tuned it down to G - worked for me.

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Re: Tony Hicks,,,,,

Postby JimN » 08 Dec 2012, 15:26

I've always paid close attention to this subject - in real time - and the earliest definitive UK media mention of lighter strings with plain thirds that I can recall would have been in 1967. Of course, I was up in Liverpool, but I had my ear to the ground.

The craze for lighter strings had to start somewhere, and that somewhere was London, where a taste for lighter strings was growing as a result of the blues boom. But the blues boom was itself a slow-growing phenomenon, garnering support only after Eric Clapton started working with John Mayall - on and off - in mid-to-late 1965. And it didn't really gather speed outside the narrow confines of the Marquee and Klook's Kleek until after the release of the "Beano" album in mid-'66.

Outside the small London coterie of blues players, and certainly throughout the rest of the country, "slack-stringing" (staggering a set by discarding the low E and using a banjo string for high E) was effectively unknown until related articles in the Melody Maker and Beat Instrumental started appearing - definitely 1967, no earlier. And there were no factory-supplied "slinky" sets available in the UK: even Fender R'n'R strings (which were available in the USA) had no market here. Selmer and Jennings catalogues of 1965 don't even mention them. All their Fender strings were medium gauge (approx 12 or 13 to 56).

The market reacted by mid-1967, with the establishment of a UK distributor for Ernie Ball strings (which became a rage overnight), Arbiter suddenly discovering Fender 150s and Picato and Rotosound getting onto the bandwagon with light gauge sets. However, Picato (neé Monopole and out of the same stable as Red Dragon strings) and Rotosound were initially reluctant to commit fully to the plain third, which to most players still seemed like a radical departure. Both companies offered light sets with wound thirds and Picato sets used to contain both a plain and a wrapped G. Buyers also were reluctant to switch to the plain third. The music press contained query letters about string balance on Strats and similar guitars and the Picato and Rotosound response was a reaction to concerns about balance.

I tend to be sceptical about claims (including Hank's) to have moved to plain thirds by 1966 for all the reasons given above. As late as 1968, the Shadows answered a Melody Maker "Any Questions" query by saying that they used Gibson Sonomatics on all their guitars (and at that time, Sonomatic equalled 13-56 (light gauge Sonomatics - 12-52 with a wound third - didn't appear until 1969). Of course, the answer (apparently given by Bruce) might not have been the whole story and could have been a simplification or even have been shortened by the newspaper for space reasons. But later still (c. 1970/71) Hank answered another question to the effect that he was using both Sonomatics (13-56) and Sonomatic Light (12-52) and "sometimes" Fender Rock'n'Roll on an experimental basis. Yet in recent years he has said that he swapped to plain thirds in 1966. That is not possible if the other answers given over the ensuing years were correct, unless "swapped" means "started to experiment with but not in use for everyday purposes".

Of course, today, the normality and ubiquity of medium gauge strings up until the late 1960s has almost been airbrushed out of history. Some commentators call 12-52 or 13-56 "heavy". Neither of them are heavy gauge. They are both medium at a maximum. Others call 10-46 with a plain third "medium", which is gibberish.

A few years ago, when my son was about 12, we were buying him an Epiphone Casino so that he could play the same guitar as John Lennon. The guitar was fitted with unsuitably light strings, both for the geometry of the guitar (arch-top styling simply doesn't suit very light gauges) and for period authenticity. Paying and asking for the guitar to be made ready for collection later in the day, I was asked about strings, with the offer to change them and make the corresponding adjustments. I requested a set of 12-52 on it (much as John Lennon and George Harrison might have been using in 1966). This would require a widening of the nut slots and a tweak of the truss rod.

The shop's "luthier" responded by saying that when he had suggested a different set of strings, he hadn't thought of "getting silly about it".

Not exactly good salesmanship, eh?

Or good command of (relatively recent) history.
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Re: Tony Hicks,,,,,

Postby Martin Page » 08 Dec 2012, 19:03

A couple of interesting letters from the 'Your Queries Answered' column in Beat Instrumental magazine:

The first from July 1965:

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The second from August 1966. Someone even thought Hank might have gone for thinner strings:

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Re: Tony Hicks,,,,,

Postby dave robinson » 08 Dec 2012, 19:23

Interesting, but the last two posts above have 'what' exactly to do with Tony Hicks ? :|

Staying off topic, we were using banjo strings as top E strings and stringing 'down' at the beginning of 1966 in Sheffield. I got the idea from Dave Hawley (Richard's) father who was in The Lorne Gibson Trio and Frank White who was with The Cruisers and had been using them for a while.

Getting back on topic, my friend Roy Barber who was in the proper Cruisers, swapped his fiesta red Strat with Tony Hicks for a solid, two pickup Maton that had belonged to George Harrison. I seem to remember that guitar fetching a massive sum (35,000 . . ish ) when Roy's wife auctioned it after Roy's premature death in 2000. :)
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Re: Tony Hicks,,,,,

Postby Martin Page » 08 Dec 2012, 19:36

dave robinson wrote:And the last two posts above have 'what' exactly to do with Tony Hicks ? :|

Tony Hicks's string gauge.

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Re: Tony Hicks,,,,,

Postby JimN » 08 Dec 2012, 20:35

Martin,

I interpret the Adams latter as simply meaning that he was using a B string instead of the G, but that the rest of the set was the same as usual. And also that he knew the difference and realised that his substitution was in some way unorthodox, hence his swap back to a normal string of the same gauge as the rest of the set. I've also heard the complaint here that a wound third sounds "muffled", which I construe as meaning that it doesn't sound as shrill as a plain G.

I can recall a few players using a B as a G in an emergency in the days when no-one used to carry spare sets of strings. Said emergency might well stretch over weeks for players with a normal life outside music...

The second letter is astounding.

I know "G Stagg" of "London SW15"! You might have met him yourself - several other people here will certainly have met him at Shadowmania or the old SMSE meetings at the Hastings Arms. He was a member of an instrumental group who appeared on the Stubby Kaye Silver Star Show around 1965. In 1966, he'd still have been at school, I should think. Graham has had a career in music all his life and is a great player in a variety of styles.

Hank's reply says it all about plain thirds in 1966, though.

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Re: Tony Hicks,,,,,

Postby Martin Page » 08 Dec 2012, 21:09

Despite what you say Jim, I was definitely using Bs for Gs in 1965/6. I was a regular attendee of the Marquee Club and countless acts' guitarists went with the B for G convention. In fact now I think about it, I think I was using two firsts plus 2nd, 3rd, 4th, & 5th.

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