TVS or EFTP

[Alainlafrance]

All I know is that whilst the Q2/20s are excellent, the TVS3 is better. I have no experience of the Atlantis other than hearing Colin Pryce-Jones of The Rapiers, who, I understand has used one, and his sound is superb and faithful to the original recordings.

There are other options, such as a Q20 and a PB Box, I have heard a comparative test between this and a TVS3, results were excellent and similar for both (the PB Box is more or less the equivalent of a TVS2)
Of course the TVS3 is more practical with everything in a single unit, but the overall cost is higher.

I have heard the Atlantis played by Colin Pryce-Jones and also by Phil Kelly, both got very good sound.

Didier

The testing conditions were far from objective on this PB Box /TVS3 test so I won't argue on this test which I attended.

[Didier]

All I know is that whilst the Q2/20s are excellent, the TVS3 is better. I have no experience of the Atlantis other than hearing Colin Pryce-Jones of The Rapiers, who, I understand has used one, and his sound is superb and faithful to the original recordings.

There are other options, such as a Q20 and a PB Box, I have heard a comparative test between this and a TVS3, results were excellent and similar for both (the PB Box is more or less the equivalent of a TVS2)
Of course the TVS3 is more practical with everything in a single unit, but the overall cost is higher.

The testing conditions were far from objective on this PB Box /TVS3 test so I won't argue on this test which I attended.

I wrote that results were excellent for both systems. Do you mean it wasn't the case for the TVS3 ?

Didier

[fenderplucker]

Hi,

Since the TVS2 has been mentioned I thought I should bring you up to date on its availability. The TVS2 incorporated a very sophisticated tape emulation circuitry to realistically reproduce the sound of a tape echo unit but, similar to the PB Box, used an Alesis Q2/20 as the multitap delay line rather than the analog delay line of the TVS3. As such it went a long way to emulating the sound of a tape echo unit but, because of the way the echoes were generated digitally, the sound still lacked the warmth and "airy" quality of a real tape unit. For this reason we decided to discontinue production of the TVS2 and announced this on the TVS web site a few months ago (and in fact all the owners of TVS2's had subsequently upgraded to a TVS3 to get this greater realism).

So we are now producing just two models, the simpler TVS1 that adds the Meazzi edge to the direct guitar signal but relies on a separate echo unit (Magicstomp, Alesis, Zoom etc) to generate the echoes and the TVS3 which is indistinguishable in sound from a valve/tape Meazzi.

Regards,

Paul.

[Alainlafrance]

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There are other options, such as a Q20 and a PB Box, I have heard a comparative test between this and a TVS3, results were excellent and similar for both (the PB Box is more or less the equivalent of a TVS2)
Of course the TVS3 is more practical with everything in a single unit, but the overall cost is higher.

The testing conditions were far from objective on this PB Box /TVS3 test so I won't argue on this test which I attended.[/quote]
I wrote that results were excellent for both systems. Do you mean it wasn't the case for the TVS3 ?

Didier[/quote]

I, several times, have proposed to Patrice Bastien a REAL A/B test between his PB Box and his Meazzi "the sewing machine" against the TVS3 and I'm still waiting (well, no more in fact) his green light , the absence of answer being an answer in fact.
Alain

[Didier]

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There are other options, such as a Q20 and a PB Box, I have heard a comparative test between this and a TVS3, results were excellent and similar for both (the PB Box is more or less the equivalent of a TVS2)
Of course the TVS3 is more practical with everything in a single unit, but the overall cost is higher.

Didier

The testing conditions were far from objective on this PB Box /TVS3 test so I won't argue on this test which I attended.

Alain,

The testing conditions could not be objective for you, but they were for me. it was easier for me to be objective as, unlike you, I wasn't involved in the demonstrations.
As I wrote before, both sounded excellent to my ears, so I agree with you : the TVS3 is an excellent unit.
BTW, I was the first to mention the TVS products in France, having translated the draft documentation and published it on our French forum just three years ago !
Here is my translation from november 2006 : http://www.4shared.com/file/152107790/9 ... ft_fr.html

I would be a little less enthusiastic about Hank's sound during the current tour. It's very enjoyable, and better than the one he had during the 2004/2005 Final Tour, but it's far from his original vintage sound I heard at the Paris Olympia in 1961, or can be heard on the "Kingston" CD.
It's not that the TVS3 is not up to the task, it's rather that Hank is not willing to use the proper settings on the TVS3 to get back to his old vintage sound. He obviously now prefer a different sound, with less echo and a cleaner tone.

If I was a guitarist and could afford a TVS3, I would certainly buy one...

Didier

[Alainlafrance]

"The testing conditions could not be objective for you, but they were for me"
I saw both signal paths so I have my own technical opinion and I'll never be caught again in a biaised test in a Shadtech.
But if from the listening area you say it was perfectly objective...Well I wasn't in your seat..
Alain

[Didier]

"The testing conditions could not be objective for you, but they were for me"
I saw both signal paths so I have my own technical opinion and I'll never be caught again in a biaised test in a Shadtech.
But if from the listening area you say it was perfectly objective...Well I wasn't in your seat..
Alain

You can't be judge and jury...
I wasn't the first time, neither the last one I have heard these different devices, so I am in a good position to know there is no clear winner.
Of course the TVS3 is far more practical, it would be near perfect if it could be made at a lower price, unfortunatly, it's not possible, unless if there was a market for thousands of units, and subcontracting the production in China !

Didier

[Alainlafrance]

No problem, this was a small assembly and this won't happen again. Believe me.
So you were the judge ??? A fair comparison between a Strat plugged into a TVS3 plugged into a JMI AC 15 facing another guitar plugged into a PBBox, a Q20, an equalizer, a compressor/limiter, a reverb (and some more I can't remember) plugged into a Vox AC 30 modified.
Good to know.
TVS3 in France,mostly with FDS members, is faced with the syndrom of the PBbox which is supposed to have been cannibalized to produce such perfect echo machine( not forgetting of course the beloved late Atlantis One); hopefully for its designers,it sells well outside of that somewhat inner narrow-minded circle.

Alain

[Didier]

No problem, this was a small assembly and this won't happen again. Believe me.
So you were the judge ??? A fair comparison between a Strat plugged into a TVS3 plugged into a JMI AC 15 facing another guitar plugged into a PBBox, a Q20, an equalizer, a compressor/limiter, a reverb (and some more I can't remember) plugged into a Vox AC 30 modified.
Good to know.
TVS3 in France,mostly with FDS members, is faced with the syndrom of the PBbox which is supposed to have been cannibalized to produce such perfect echo machine( not forgetting of course the beloved late Atlantis One); hopefully for its designers,it sells well outside of that somewhat inner narrow-minded circle.

Alain

Remember that I listened to both systems in serveral other circumstances, including in live playing and on recordings. I don't judge them ony by this comparative test.
Of course, being the proud owner of a TVS3, it's difficult for you to be objective, this is why I wrote you couldn't be "judge and jury" ("juge et partie" in French) !
Anyhow, I never stated that the PB Box, whatever what's added to it, was superior to the TVS3, and only a few people are using the PB Box which is also considered by many as too expensive !

The PX Box, originally designed in 2000, and improved in 2004 was the first unit intended to emulate the Meazzi sound, and long remained the only one. So it opened the way for the TVS products which are based on the same principles.

Didier
P.S. and I was the first to mention the TVS products in France, back in 2006...

[AlanMcKillop]

Guns at the ready and take twenty paces.

Anyway, I thought the subject was TVS or EFTP?