Are they playing FBI?

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Re: Are they playing FBI?

Postby Arpeggio » 01 Jun 2013, 13:22

As ever.....Jim is absolutely correct. Hank, Jet and Bruce mentioned that connection several times to me in different conversations / interviews spread over many, many years. In fairly recent times it has been confirmed that there is indeed an unreleased Shadows track in the EMI vaults entitled "March Of The Shadows". Maybe one day????? Well, we can but dream.

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Re: Are they playing FBI?

Postby JimN » 01 Jun 2013, 14:42

Arpeggio wrote:Hank, Jet and Bruce mentioned that connection several times to me in different conversations / interviews spread over many, many years. In fairly recent times it has been confirmed that there is indeed an unreleased Shadows track in the EMI vaults entitled "March Of The Shadows". Maybe one day????? Well, we can but dream.
Rob




A I can hear traces of both FBI and The Boys in that record. Of course, they'd been released three years and eighteen months previously, respectively.

B I see that it is subtitled (probably meaning that it was the original title): The Finnjenka Dance.

C Was that Michael Carr, to whom it was credited? <quick Google search> No, it was Tony Carr.

Now, was that the same Tony Carr who was a UK jazz and session drummer in the fifties and sixties?

See http://www.45cat.com/record/db7323

The B-side credits indicate that Tony Carr of March Of The Mods fame also collaborated with one Roy Carr. So were they members of The Executives?

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Re: Are they playing FBI?

Postby Arpeggio » 01 Jun 2013, 17:27

Excellent research Jim!

Rob :D
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Re: Are they playing FBI?

Postby alanbakewell » 01 Jun 2013, 17:34

You say what you like. I still think that title relates to a huge Native American gentleman :D :D
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Re: Are they playing FBI?

Postby cockroach » 02 Jun 2013, 08:52

JimN,

The word 'mod' was certainly in use in London by 1960- my older sister was using that term to describe the hip young blokes with the Italian style suits and Vespas etc which were the fashion thing around 1959/60 in central London- some of them, like an older cousin of ours, were into modern JAZZ though, not rock'n'roll. They were also called 'modernists', as distinct from the trad jazz fans, who were scruffy(!) and the rougher 'teds', some of whom were still about.
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Re: Are they playing FBI?

Postby Didier » 02 Jun 2013, 11:40

ribiers wrote:..Who earn the royaties..????

Peter Gormley did, but according what Bruce Welch wrote in his book, he alwas gave it back to Hank, Bruce and Jet who at this time couldn't yet register the tune in their own name.
Not sure what happened after Peter Gormley died in 1998.

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Re: Are they playing FBI?

Postby UlrichS » 02 Jun 2013, 15:02

Didier wrote:
ribiers wrote:..Who earn the royaties..????

Peter Gormley did, but according what Bruce Welch wrote in his book, he alwas gave it back to Hank, Bruce and Jet who at this time couldn't yet register the tune in their own name.
Not sure what happened after Peter Gormley died in 1998.

Didier


With newer releases F.B.I. is credited to Harris/Marvin/Welch. The BMI database also lists the 'correct' credits.

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Re: Are they playing FBI?

Postby ribiers » 02 Jun 2013, 21:15

....why H,B & Jet could'nt yet register the tune...Too young ?.....
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Re: Are they playing FBI?

Postby Didier » 03 Jun 2013, 08:51

ribiers wrote:....why H,B & Jet could'nt yet register the tune...Too young ?.....

According to what Bruce wrote in his book, they had just created their own publishing company, but they had to bypass a first unfavorable publishing contract.

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Re: Are they playing FBI?

Postby GoldenStreet » 03 Jun 2013, 11:03

JimN wrote:B I see that it is subtitled (probably meaning that it was the original title): The Finnjenka Dance.

C Was that Michael Carr, to whom it was credited? <quick Google search> No, it was Tony Carr.

Now, was that the same Tony Carr who was a UK jazz and session drummer in the fifties and sixties?

See http://www.45cat.com/record/db7323

The B-side credits indicate that Tony Carr of March Of The Mods fame also collaborated with one Roy Carr. So were they members of The Executives?



Apparently, Tony Carr was the father of Roy, frontman of the Executives. Roy subsequently became well-known as a music journalist on the NME and more...

http://www.poparchives.com.au/1116/the- ... enka-dance

The PRS database gives the composer of March Of The Mods as one Anthony Alfred Mintz (?) and original publisher as Lorna Music, with whom Norrie Paramor's brother, Alan, was associated. Another connection I wonder?

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