Shadows unreleased material

[Didier]

A bonus then could be the 1967 Japanese concert.

This had been released as bonus tracks on the "Live at the Paris Olympia" double CD reissue by Magic Records.
The Shadows themselves think it's not very good, and they are right ! (remember that Bruce wasn't there).

Didier

[UlrichS]

A bonus then could be the 1967 Japanese concert.

This had been released as bonus tracks on the "Live at the Paris Olympia" double CD reissue by Magic Records.
The Shadows themselves think it's not very good, and they are right ! (remember that Bruce wasn't there).

Didier

Hi Didier,

The concert on the Magic CD is the one from 1969 without Bruce but with Alan Hawkshaw. The 1967 has not been issued officially. The quality is said to be much better than with the 1969 one.

Best wishes,

Ulrich

[martcaster]

Those of us who have made recordings of any kind (either 'released' on CD or posted into the SoundFiles section/whatever) have, no doubt, had to have several 'goes' before we regard it as acceptable. Do the posters of 'Soundfiles' offer up Take 1 or 2/whatever? 'course they don't. They want the world to hear them at their best, naturally. And The Shads are similarly only human. They want everybody, especially us, to think they are beyond mistakes if the medium is permanent and easily accessible. I guess we've all been to concerts and heard at least one of them fluff something. But, by and large, those performances are not recorded for posterity. They're transitory, and even if one of them remembers the incident months/years later, I'm sure they don't want to be reminded of it. So, I guess we must allow The Shads the same privilege we have ourselves; if we think it's not up to our usual standard or the standard people expect of us ('us' collectively, that is) then it stays in the can or on the hard drive or whatever. If I were, by chance, to come across an unknown Shads' track and it wasn't up to their usual pinnacle of achievement, I think I'd rather forget it. Think of "Nothing, Folks" on the Abbey Road compilation. Best left in the vault, I think. I've heard the Japanese performance, and I'd rather listen to one by The Rapiers any day.
Anyway, guys, enjoy your tea. I'm off for mine. (Leek Pie with roasties and green beans!)
Love to all,
Mart.

And a bottle of Cotes Du Rhone!

[Fenderman]

A bonus then could be the 1967 Japanese concert.

This had been released as bonus tracks on the "Live at the Paris Olympia" double CD reissue by Magic Records.
The Shadows themselves think it's not very good, and they are right ! (remember that Bruce wasn't there).

Didier

Hi Didier,

The concert on the Magic CD is the one from 1969 without Bruce but with Alan Hawkshaw. The 1967 has not been issued officially. The quality is said to be much better than with the 1969 one.

Best wishes,

Ulrich

Yeah that concert is not very good, Hanks guitar sound quite 'tinny' on many tracks, it's the only live show i have with John Rostill which is a shame as he is my favourite Shads bassist.
Isn't there a 1965 concert available (live in Amsterdam?). I vaguely remember reading something about that.

[donna plasky]

[Yeah that concert is not very good, Hanks guitar sound quite 'tinny' on many tracks, it's the only live show i have with John Rostill which is a shame as he is my favourite Shads bassist.
Isn't there a 1965 concert available (live in Amsterdam?). I vaguely remember reading something about that.

Hi. I know little or nothing about this general topic, but I thought I would share this YouTube video with you, as John Rostill is my favourite as well. There are several YouTube uploads of this same concert...you might be able to find one that is of better quality. I'll watch anything and everything with John Rostill in it, so I am happy to see this concert no matter what condition it's in.

Kind regards,
Donna

[Didier]

A bonus then could be the 1967 Japanese concert.

This had been released as bonus tracks on the "Live at the Paris Olympia" double CD reissue by Magic Records.
The Shadows themselves think it's not very good, and they are right ! (remember that Bruce wasn't there).
Didier

Hi Didier,

The concert on the Magic CD is the one from 1969 without Bruce but with Alan Hawkshaw. The 1967 has not been issued officially. The quality is said to be much better than with the 1969 one.

Best wishes,

Ulrich

I though it was the same, I have never heard the 1967 recording. But I have a double LP "Cliff Goes East" released in Asia in 1972, with the same Shadows line-up as the 1969 recording. It features a few instrumental tracks, including "The rise and fall of Flingel Bunt" with an unusual intro.

Didier

[iefje]

I though it was the same, I have never heard the 1967 recording. But I have a double LP "Cliff Goes East" released in Asia in 1972, with the same Shadows line-up as the 1969 recording. It features a few instrumental tracks, including "The rise and fall of Flingel Bunt" with an unusual intro.

Didier

The line-up of The Shadows on that 1969 concert is: Hank Marvin (lead guitar & vocals), John Rostill (bass guitar & vocals), Brian Bennett (drums & percussion) and Alan Hawkshaw (organ & piano).
The line-up on the "Cliff Goes East" double LP and also the complete original double LP "Cliff 'Live' In Japan '72" is: Hank Marvin (lead guitar & vocals), John Farrar (lead/rhythm guitar & vocals), Brian Bennett (drums & percussion: only on "Backscratcher" and the whole of Cliff's set), Trevor Spencer (drums & percussion), Alan Tarney (bass guitar) and Alan Hawkshaw (organ & piano: only on "Backscratcher" and the whole of Cliff's set). The set on these double LP's weren't billed as "The Shadows", but rather "Marvin & Farrar".

[Iain Purdon]

... we must allow The Shads the same privilege we have ourselves; if we think it's not up to our usual standard or the standard people expect of us ('us' collectively, that is) then it stays in the can or on the hard drive or whatever. If I were, by chance, to come across an unknown Shads' track and it wasn't up to their usual pinnacle of achievement, I think I'd rather forget it...

In common with martcaster and others on this site, our band made some CDs and started work on another. Nothing we released was bad but some of it wasn't that great. And the sessions we abandoned unfinished were not working out well. Not in my opinion anyway. I'm glad I'm not famous or someone might take delight in tracking the material down - and finding out why!

As it is, we all have the 'curse' of YouTube. I have always been happy to give things a go at a Shads club but to find that it was video'd and stuck up on YT is sometimes chastening to say the least.

If the Shadows don't want something released, who are we to argue?

Iain

[iefje]

Yeah that concert is not very good, Hanks guitar sound quite 'tinny' on many tracks, it's the only live show i have with John Rostill which is a shame as he is my favourite Shads bassist.
Isn't there a 1965 concert available (live in Amsterdam?). I vaguely remember reading something about that.

I think that Alan Hawkshaw was chosen as a replacement for Bruce because of the trend of band line-ups very typical in those days: lead guitar, bass guitar, drums and keyboards (organ, piano and/or electric piano). Alan Hawkshaw is one of the most accomplished, professional and versatile musicians/composers of the UK and I think he would have been an excellent choice for a 'fifth' Shadow from the late 1970's onwards, in case Cliff Hall wouldn't be available. He has of course been excellent on the 1969 The Shadows/Hank Marvin single "Slaughter On Tenth Avenue"/"Midnight Cowboy" and The Shadows' studio albums "From Hank, Bruce, Brian And John" (three tracks), "Shades Of Rock" (the whole album), two tracks on the "String Of Hits" album and one track on the "The Shadows Silver Album" and "XXV". He also features on some tracks of the two Marvin, Welch & Farrar albums.
On the Japanese "'Live' In Japan" album though, he tries his best to play on organ and piano the parts previously played by Bruce on rhythm guitar and that is something that just doesn't work. I have been listening quite frequently to this live album since 1993 and have become used to it, but, and I have to agree with Malcolm Campbell about what he said about the general performance in his pocket guide, the performance of the whole group is not top-notch, though they do seem to have enjoyed themselves that evening.

[Fenderman]

I suppose in a way the 1969 concert is a little piece of history because John Rostill didn't play live with them again, i think he went into session work and became Tom Jones bass player instead.